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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptics are an

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episode about 391 for the 17th of April

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2016 Richard Saunders here with you from

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Sydney Australia with rather a couple of

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little kittens running around my feet

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here once on one side of the door to the

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studio ones on the other side and

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they're sort of trying to UM put their

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paws under the door and batter each

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other look there I go it's all happening

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here at skeptic zone HQ come on can you

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come up you with me ah this one's more I

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don't think he can hear she's looking at

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the microphone what's that I'll put you

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back down again oh you what's the

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kittens do what kittens do get into

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trouble what's coming up on this week's

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episode of the skeptics I don't get a

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kick off with an interview with an old

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skeptical buddy of mine Laurence long

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the comedian the showman the TV star

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he'll be in sydney and perth very soon

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to present his new show very strange

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things and there'll be details for

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sydney listeners and perth lessness how

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they can get their tickets to this show

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I always look forward to catching up

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with Lawrence he's a really clever guy I

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remember years ago maybe ten-plus years

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network here in australia i was in a

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studio in sydney my headphones on he was

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in a studio in melbourne so we couldn't

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see each other we could hear each other

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like we're in the same room to comment

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about well skeptical things and

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interview of Lawrence long coming up at

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the top of the show and after that it's

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the raw skeptic rapport with our dear

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friend Heidi Robertson up there in the

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north coast of New South Wales the

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heartland the epicenter ground zero of

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the anti-vaccine tanned she'll be

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presenting part of her continuing series

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on vaccine-preventable diseases today

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it's diphtheria now I didn't know much

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about diphtheria until I heard this

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report by Heidi Thank You Heidi now I

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know a lot more and you will too soon

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diphtheria that's the subject of the raw

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skeptic report this week then to round

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off the show me nerd spooky action me

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nada as listeners will remember was that

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the Australian skeptic dinner meeting

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last week but apart from interviewing

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our speaker may not was running around

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with his microphone he talks to dr. Mel

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from Melbourne Cassandra Perryman from

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Brisbane wideness from Brisbane and our

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own Tim momentum the editor of the

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skeptic here in Sydney and then we all

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drive home in the skeptic mobile that's

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may not spooky action for you I think it

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gives you a flavour what fun we can have

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it the Australian skeptics dinner

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meetings out there really informal

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relaxed good time is had by all and it's

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a good chance just to chat with people

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and that something may not excels at oh

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now don't forget to visit WWE no calm

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day you for all of maynards menace

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including bunga bunga his own podcast he

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does with Tim folks and from the dog

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Anthony all-stars now before we get

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stuck into the skeptics on a couple of

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stories buzzing around these skeptical

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spheres one of those is the continuing

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story of the documentary vax by andrew

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wakefield which was going to be at the

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robert de niro film festival then was

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cancelled and now it looks like Robert

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Niro might be unclear as to whether he

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is pro or anti vax looks like he could

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be falling into the trap of what Jim

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claiming that we should just make

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vaccines safe it's a bit strange this

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story but it reminds us once again that

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no matter how wonderful people are at

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their profession like Robert De Niro

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actors of this or any other generation

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doesn't mean he's qualified to speak on

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vaccine safety anyway we'll keep an eye

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on that another one another story that's

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just come to my attention today is a

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story from the sunshine coast daily

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newspaper up in Queensland sunshine

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coast daily com au and

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looking online the headline is cowgirl

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chooses alternative therapies to treat

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cancer and it's a long story about this

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young lady who has got cancer doctors

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have given her something of a 50-50 shot

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if she keeps up her chemo users chemo

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but she's rejected all that too more or

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less follow a course of alternative

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therapies which includes a change of

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diet so she's eating organic food fresh

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things like this then she's also on a

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program of regular supplements and

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drinks lots of alkaline water and she's

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sauna every day aah Deary me look I'll

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put a link to the show notes but if you

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just go to sunshine coast daily calm day

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you or Google cowgirl chooses

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the website here there are a lot of

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comments a lot of comments by skeptics

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own ken MacLeod who skeptics own

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listeners may well remember and one of

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their biggest comments is the fact that

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the sunshine coast daily is not treating

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this story with the balance it should be

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getting a story we might keep tabs on

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well that's enough for me it's time for

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me to run downstairs well hello no one's

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in the curtain come here out out but now

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it's time for me to run downstairs open

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up the cupboard make myself a nice cup

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of chicken noodle soup oh yes while I'm

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doing that I hope you enjoy the skeptics

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joining me now on the line all the way

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from the sun-drenched shores of

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Melbourne Melbourne are four seasons in

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one day so they say it's well friend

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comedian and skeptic Lawrence long hello

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Lawrence right I'm great how are you

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doing Richard i I'm not doing too bad

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you know I'm not doing too bad I'm

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getting myself back together again after

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a funny sort of year it's been but I'm

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certainly one of the things that it's

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going to brighten my mood no end is

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and this is folks at the part of the

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Sydney comedy first of all this is going

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of April so very soon none this week in

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the Sydney Town Hall the show is called

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very strange things and it's then it's

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traveling off the Perth but let's have a

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talk about that and I understand it was

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week did for a four-week season which is

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always great so by time gets to Sydney

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the show it's well run dinner match fit

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the show is cut very strange things and

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subscribers and listeners because it's

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things that they believe and so this

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TV show is I guess searching about um is

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the truth out there or is it all just in

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our heads but with this show it kind of

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personality and also a lot of skeptics I

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like Scully and back to a lot like

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of things especially when it comes to

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ghosts and UFOs and psychics exist

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existed and so yeah but as I grew up I

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decided to do the right thing which was

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to investigate and use my brain and try

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to discover where these things were real

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or not and I've come out the other end

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not not quite as real as I thought when

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I was a kid but how about if I set up a

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show where I set up a context where the

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audience whether they're a skeptical

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believer I'll set up conditions for them

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to experience some very strange things

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what they want to believe because after

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movies out there where we allow

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ourselves to suspend you know disbelief

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understand as as rational people we can

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suspect suspend disbelief in theater

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belief well what is it actually you do

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you suspend you I don't know it as I was

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of disbelief I think it is but that

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doesn't make sense that we should be

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suspending your belief anyway whatever

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latest in a silly sci-fi offering all

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the superheroes running around with

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their capes and everything and I don't

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mind that they're destroying the laws of

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physics are ignoring the more discount

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paradox can't possibly happen as long as

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because it's a live show it does sound

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very interesting now I had the great

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what was it but not part of the comedy

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festival was Dave part of the commie

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fest it was we got right yeah it's

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called The Escapist and

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that's right that's right it's all

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coming back to me now how you escaped

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embarrassing situation since that's

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right and that was that was fantastic

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understand just getting back to the very

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strange things that it shows in

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reviews from the reviewers I think it's

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castles so there's a lot going on in the

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super super skeptical that I've managed

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to get them to read each other's pino

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numbers their heads and I've done all

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sorts of you would call psychological

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trickery and almost mentalism mind games

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mean that's what I'm all for it i think

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that's fabulous i love seeing how

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people's minds can be i don't want to

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say messed with it that's not really

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what you do you you you and you know you

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in all done in a nice way isn't it yeah

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well I guess I believe that there are

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two types of people there are the puzzle

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solvers in the world and there's also

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the mystery lovers and mystery lovers

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are people who don't want to know how

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things are done and the more amazing

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something is the less they want to know

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they want to preserve that sense of awe

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and then there's the other people and

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i'm sure you're one of these people is

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the puzzle solver and someone who knows

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that there's an explanation for

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everything and it will keep you up at

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night thinking about the hospital

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explanation behind a mystery I very much

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for that camp as well and I'm sure a lot

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of your listeners do and I set that

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premise up at the very start of the show

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and then I provide some

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you know seemingly astounding illusions

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and uh and mind games and we you know we

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as an audience I take them I take the

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hand and basically let them decide what

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type of person they want to be in this

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evening so even if you're a skeptic like

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can you close your eyes for a second and

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and switch off your brain ah but I find

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that the hilarious thing is to to see

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people in the bar to the show discussing

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everything that just happened trying to

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figure out the the the intricacies that

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tricks the the deal realities it's it's

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really it's a really fun interactive

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show you well one of my great love's in

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in the whole skeptical sphere is the the

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participation of magic and particularly

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mentalism mmm mentalism is just it is

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such a superb special field of magic and

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anybody who's seen a good Mentalist or

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has been on the the end of being in the

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audience and you've been called up and

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you've just had your socks blown off he

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knocked off by a good mentis nose and in

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the psychology the mind games that are

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going on in the performer and the

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subject is deeply fascinating for me

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because partly because it's it's

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terrific stuff it's so clever but it

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really really does relate in many ways

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to the way the mind of the believer can

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work absolutely I I totally agree I mean

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you know James Randi recently came to

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Australia and he had his a documentary

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with him and on ass liar and the great

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thing is he's a magician who will tell

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you upfront that he's tricking you and

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then he keeps his promise and in many

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ways mental is a Mentalist do the same

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thing they they tell you this is this is

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a it's it's psychological delusion yeah

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I'm not psychic I talk about this all

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the time I sure I say nothing I do hear

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a psychic despite the fact that you will

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claim that I am I I try my best to

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convince you and I close down various

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methods that are charlatans from no way

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back even in a spiritualist era during

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the séances I have a seance in my show

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and I I basically explained

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how they used to do it and then I closed

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all those doors I close those possible

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explanations and and do a similar type

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of thing with a completely different

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method just to show that you know you

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can really be fooled um but at least I'm

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not fooling people into believing that I

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can contact their last ones I am fooling

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people for entertainment um which is

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fantastic in which it would James Randi

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says it's a noble art for the purposes

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of entertainment yeah and once it goes

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beyond then that and we can name certain

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people who use it for the forces of evil

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we might say it it's such a pity because

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it's such a wonderful art form an

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entertaining out from it's such a P some

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people do that anyway so the show is of

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course very strange things I'm so

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looking forward to it loan so i really

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enjoy your live shows and licky it's

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going to perth have you have you

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performed in perth before yeah i have

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i've done various comedy festivals down

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there Wow um perth audiences are

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absolutely amazing later come out and

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support um they they're they're really

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smart and lovely crowds and i think i

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think this show is a very different

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obviously to all the other stand-up

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comedy shows that i've usually done

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they're usually quite storytelling based

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or just get up there and say what's to

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deal with this or that but I've kind of

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used all those skills together of

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storytelling and telling jokes but

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mashed it together with my love of

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critical thinking skin to Scism and also

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you deep down i love a good sort of hoax

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and a good bit of psychic fakery so I

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love playing with the audiences and so

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I'm taking the show also to Perth in May

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so friday the six saturday seventh and

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sunday the eighth of May at the first

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town hall the personal I was just about

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to say that yes folks you can get your

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tickets for Sydney or Melbourne the best

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thing to do is head over to the website

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for Lawrence and that is wwan saloon

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calm and i will put a link to the show

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note or if you just Google Lawrence

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little or you google Laura

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Sydney comedy first of all it's your

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pretty easy to find out yeah pretty easy

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to five got unusual spelling you know

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it's an LA w for Lawrence and also an le

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UNG for loan but uh yeah pretty easy to

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find I think I'm the only Lawrence

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loneliness no I can't say that was

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probably a lot of Louis lens in

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Australia I'm the only one with a beard

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oh yes you might well be right Lawrence

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you might well be right and just getting

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it back to the Perth crowds I totally

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agree because you were just mentioning

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when when James Randi was out here not

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so long ago to show the the his

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documentary the honest liar of course

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you and I were a part of that tour which

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was just one of those experiences i'm

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sure we are treasure forever but i

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remember the audience in perth were

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particularly um enthusiastic they were

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great yeah i mean there's not i don't

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know how if a lot of international

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headline is like james randi or or even

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bands international bands how many of

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them could get out there to to Western

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Australia um but they should because

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there that's a very supportive and

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they're really bang-up for when people

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come visit their town so yeah I I'm sure

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when James Randi was there the dearly

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devoted came out in droves they didn't

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know they were good they were great that

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was so receptive and enthusiastic and

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they gave Randy such a welcome I won't

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forget that Manari anyway Lawrence good

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to catch up with you I can't wait to see

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the show folks there's your cue there's

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your head we can't give you much more

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prompting than this please get your

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tickets for Lawrence lungs show very

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strange things if you're a skeptic

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particularly if you're a believer you

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might enjoy it as well if you're into

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curiosities and how the mind works I

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think it'll be a fantastic night and

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launch I look forward to seeing you at

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your show i will see you there Richard

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and i'll see you all there thanks Lauren

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Association not only is a big fan of the

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skeptic zone but that we also organize

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lectures pop science quiz and skeptics

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in the pub all over the country go to

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place where there is no local chapter

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it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi

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Robertson hello there Heidi Robertson

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from the Northern Rivers vaccination

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supporters continuing on with my series

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on vaccine preventable diseases this

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week it's stips areas turn diphtheria a

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devastating disease an extremely

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effective and safe vaccine the

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anti-vaccination crowd would have you

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think that it is a mild disease or that

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it would be treated effectively with

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natural remedies or that homeo

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prophylaxis is just as effective as

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vaccinations or that a healthy person

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would not be able to contract it they

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would have you believe that the

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ingredients of the vaccine are more

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dangerous than the disease itself they

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disingenuously post graphs which show

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mortality rates declining before the

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vaccine was introduced neglecting to

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include morbidity or incidence rates

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this is a very common tactic let's be

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really clear on this every death from

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just about everything you can imagine

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declined with the advent of better

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medical treatments sanitation and

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preventative care the incidence of

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disease is never included in the

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anti-vaccination graphs they are wrong

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they are dangerous and they are putting

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us at risk of having to deal with this

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strangling angel of children all over

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again regrettably it is timely to talk

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about this particular disease because of

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a diagnosed case reported here in

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northern New South Wales over Easter the

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case has been reported in several media

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outlets I'm going to read the one that

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appeared in a local online outlet the

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echo net daily quote

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woman contracts diphtheria at rabbits

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eat lettuce April 11 2016 by Chris Dodd

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knee a rare case of the deadly bacterial

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disease diphtheria has been reported in

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the northern rivers and it appears that

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the woman contracted it while attending

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a doof near casino over Easter as many

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as ten percent of diphtheria sufferers

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died from the disease which is extremely

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rare in Western countries the woman who

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contracted it attended the rabbits eat

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lettuce Dorf and festival organizers

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have informed attendees on the events

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Facebook page stop the Australian

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anti-vaccination Network spokesperson

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surgeon John Cunningham said that

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diphtheria was quite easily preventable

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in this day and age with a simple

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vaccination this is a disease that we

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haven't seen in Australia for some years

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in 2011 a 22 year old unvaccinated

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Queensland woman died from the disease

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mr. Cunningham said quote before that

542
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there were a handful of cases in the

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Northern Territory in the early 90s it

544
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would be a tragedy of this new case had

545
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a fatal outcome end quote diphtheria is

546
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spread through coughing and sneezing

547
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with the infected person being

548
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contagious for up to two weeks after

549
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infection the incubation period for

550
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diphtheria is up to ten days but most

551
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commonly between two and five days

552
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people who attended rabbits eat lettuce

553
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and have subsequently fallen ill within

554
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that time period are advised to seek

555
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medical attention symptoms include

556
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respiratory problems a runny nose sore

557
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throat hoarse voice swollen neck lands

558
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and fever and chills complications may

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include inflammation of the heart

560
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myocarditis inflammation of the nerves

561
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kidney problems and bleeding problems

562
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due to low blood platelets myocarditis

563
00:25:26,790 --> 00:25:24,000
may result in an abnormal heart rate and

564
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inflammation of the nerves may result in

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paralysis and quote as of today the 13th

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of April

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there has been no further news on the

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condition of this particular patient as

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the echo article states diphtheria is a

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serious bacterial disease that causes

571
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severe inflammation of the nose throat

572
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and windpipe or trachea although the

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echo article stated that it is

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communicable for up to two weeks the

575
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Australian immunization handbook states

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that it is actually up to four weeks it

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is spread by either airborne

578
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transmission or by direct contact with

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skin lesions or items contaminated by an

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infected person the bacteria produced

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toxins that cause a grayish or green

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membrane to grow in the throat over the

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tonsils and nasopharynx which in turn

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leads to difficulty with swallowing

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speaking and then later breathing until

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the person may ultimately suffocate to

587
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death for this reason diphtheria has

588
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historically been called the strangling

589
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angel of children in Australia

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00:26:44,490 --> 00:26:41,770
diphtheria caused more deaths than any

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other infectious disease up until the

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widespread use of the vaccine in the

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1940s and worldwide it was also a

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leading cause of death in children

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without breaks in Europe and America in

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the 18th century and in the 1990s in

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Russia and Eastern Europe today

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diphtheria is virtually unheard of in

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developed countries thanks to a vaccine

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that has an estimated clinical efficacy

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of ninety-seven percent in fact I was

602
00:27:16,290 --> 00:27:13,390
talking with a few locals just a couple

603
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:16,300
of days ago about this case and two of

604
00:27:21,090 --> 00:27:19,450
them had never heard of diphtheria there

605
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:21,100
has been speculation that because we

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haven't seen these diseases in our

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lifetimes or we're forgetting what these

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00:27:30,570 --> 00:27:28,450
diseases are like some are becoming

609
00:27:33,299 --> 00:27:30,580
complacent about vaccinating which is

610
00:27:36,510 --> 00:27:33,309
likely contributing to their unnecessary

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00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:36,520
return it's more likely that cases of

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diphtheria in developed countries are

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imported from developing countries

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highlighting the need for travelers to

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00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:46,159
be up to date with their vaccinate

616
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:48,960
this was the case with a diphtheria

617
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,220
death in Queensland in 2011 and the case

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00:27:59,240 --> 00:27:55,679
in northern New South Wales is also said

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to be from an international traveler you

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00:28:02,570 --> 00:28:00,870
may have also heard of the death of a

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three-year-old who died from diphtheria

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00:28:07,460 --> 00:28:05,490
and Belgium in March of this year and a

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six-year-old boy last year in Spain

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whose parents had decided not to

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00:28:14,659 --> 00:28:12,630
vaccinate him after his death the

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00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:14,669
parents revealed how they felt the

627
00:28:20,899 --> 00:28:17,610
anti-vaccination movement had quote

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00:28:23,169 --> 00:28:20,909
tricked them both the child and the

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00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:23,179
parents were victims of anti-vaccination

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00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:26,850
propaganda thankfully they went on to

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vaccinate their younger child after that

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00:28:34,909 --> 00:28:32,760
little boy's death in Spain the

633
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conversation published an article titled

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quote strangling angel of diphtheria

635
00:28:44,269 --> 00:28:41,399
quartz pain off guard here's how end

636
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:44,279
quote if you haven't heard of the

637
00:28:50,570 --> 00:28:47,120
conversation they describe themselves as

638
00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:50,580
quote an independent source of news and

639
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,100
views sourced from the academic and

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00:28:58,519 --> 00:28:55,500
research community and delivered direct

641
00:29:00,440 --> 00:28:58,529
to the public end quote it's well worth

642
00:29:02,570 --> 00:29:00,450
checking out their website and Facebook

643
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:02,580
page for accurate and credible

644
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:06,960
science-based articles a quote from this

645
00:29:12,879 --> 00:29:09,840
particular conversation piece that was

646
00:29:17,529 --> 00:29:12,889
written by Dora Varga and David Bryan

647
00:29:19,659 --> 00:29:17,539
quote falling vaccination rates complex

648
00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:19,669
population movements and the

649
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:21,929
disappearance of international health

650
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:24,480
practices perceived as redundant all

651
00:29:29,389 --> 00:29:26,490
contribute to the emergence and spread

652
00:29:34,490 --> 00:29:29,399
of infectious diseases that were thought

653
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:34,500
forgotten end quote and this quote when

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00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:37,200
distrust in public health organizations

655
00:29:41,899 --> 00:29:39,450
and practices or the breakdown of

656
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:41,909
relationship between state and citizens

657
00:29:46,669 --> 00:29:44,880
give way to faltering vaccination rates

658
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:46,679
whether through anti-vaccination

659
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:48,809
movement soar through lack of access to

660
00:29:55,639 --> 00:29:52,110
vaccines forgotten diseases can make a

661
00:29:58,519 --> 00:29:55,649
quick comeback the case of diphtheria

662
00:30:00,290 --> 00:29:58,529
reminds us of the very real stakes at

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00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:00,300
hand when infectious

664
00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:02,970
diseases re-emerge and throw light on

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00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:06,150
the personal national and international

666
00:30:14,510 --> 00:30:09,360
consequences of declaring the end of a

667
00:30:17,630 --> 00:30:14,520
disease and quote the vaccine contains a

668
00:30:20,450 --> 00:30:17,640
weakened form of the bacterial toxin

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00:30:23,770 --> 00:30:20,460
called a toxoid and works by stimulating

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00:30:26,420 --> 00:30:23,780
the body to produce an antitoxin a

671
00:30:29,780 --> 00:30:26,430
specific antibody that neutralizes

672
00:30:32,050 --> 00:30:29,790
diphtheria toxin it is given as part of

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00:30:34,940 --> 00:30:32,060
the immunization schedule in Australia

674
00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:34,950
combined with the tetanus and acellular

675
00:30:41,420 --> 00:30:38,220
pertussis vaccines it is given it to

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00:30:43,790 --> 00:30:41,430
four and six months of age although the

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00:30:46,780 --> 00:30:43,800
first dose can be given as early as six

678
00:30:49,940 --> 00:30:46,790
weeks due to the high morbidity and

679
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:49,950
possibly mortality associated with

680
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:54,240
pertussis in very young infants booster

681
00:30:59,140 --> 00:30:56,340
vaccines in Australia are recommended at

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00:31:02,600 --> 00:30:59,150
18 months and four years of age and

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00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:02,610
another for adolescence adults who reach

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00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:05,460
the age of 50 years without having

685
00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:07,650
received a booster in the previous 10

686
00:31:13,310 --> 00:31:10,620
years are also advised to receive a

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00:31:17,030 --> 00:31:13,320
further diphtheria booster dose given

688
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:17,040
along with tetanus and pertussis if

689
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:20,010
diphtheria is contracted the treatment

690
00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:23,360
is hospitalization and isolation

691
00:31:29,390 --> 00:31:26,520
antibiotics surgery to remove the

692
00:31:33,140 --> 00:31:29,400
membrane if necessary treatment of other

693
00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:33,150
complications and an antitoxin which may

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00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:36,600
be difficult to source in the case of

695
00:31:42,770 --> 00:31:39,600
the six-year-old in Spain the antitoxin

696
00:31:44,540 --> 00:31:42,780
had to be flown in from Russia as Spain

697
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:44,550
had not seen diphtheria for three

698
00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:47,010
decades and did not have any antitoxin

699
00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:50,760
available in the United States there are

700
00:31:55,820 --> 00:31:52,980
no licensed antitoxin products available

701
00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:55,830
in the entire country there have been

702
00:32:02,890 --> 00:31:58,260
calls for a Central European stockpile

703
00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:02,900
that all countries can access if needed

704
00:32:07,630 --> 00:32:05,310
tracheotomies were performed commonly on

705
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:07,640
diphtheria patients throughout the 1800s

706
00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:11,760
to bypass the swelling in the throat it

707
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:13,860
has been reported that about a quarter

708
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:16,320
of people who had tracheotomies during

709
00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:19,380
that time died due to infection from the

710
00:32:27,049 --> 00:32:23,700
procedure interestingly it was because

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00:32:29,090 --> 00:32:27,059
of diphtheria that in 1858 a French

712
00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:29,100
pediatrician invented endotracheal

713
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:32,520
intubation a much less invasive

714
00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:35,010
technique of bypassing the membrane and

715
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:37,620
keeping the airway open until the

716
00:32:42,890 --> 00:32:40,710
membrane resolved paramedics and Ernie

717
00:32:45,980 --> 00:32:42,900
theatres now routinely use intubation

718
00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:45,990
every day all around the world to

719
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:47,880
maintain a patent airway for the

720
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:51,330
unconscious patient I learned intubation

721
00:32:56,539 --> 00:32:53,880
myself in theatres under the guidance of

722
00:32:59,120 --> 00:32:56,549
an ethicist as part of my intensive care

723
00:33:00,980 --> 00:32:59,130
paramedic training but at the time I had

724
00:33:04,340 --> 00:33:00,990
no idea of the history behind the

725
00:33:07,130 --> 00:33:04,350
procedure just as at the time I had no

726
00:33:09,650 --> 00:33:07,140
idea that there was such a thing as the

727
00:33:12,620 --> 00:33:09,660
anti-vaccination movement to get an idea

728
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:12,630
of how prevalent and tragic this disease

729
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:16,080
was I refer to two descriptions by the

730
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:18,840
facebook group refutations to

731
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:21,480
anti-vaccination means another group

732
00:33:26,570 --> 00:33:24,480
worth checking out the first has a

733
00:33:30,620 --> 00:33:26,580
picture of a gravestone with the names

734
00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:30,630
of four children of the same family aged

735
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:34,830
between 12 11 years of age who succumbed

736
00:33:42,850 --> 00:33:37,860
to diphtheria within 11 days of each

737
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:42,860
other the other is a letter from 1881

738
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:45,000
describing the deaths of four children

739
00:33:53,659 --> 00:33:48,809
within one week from Wisconsin United

740
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:53,669
States again siblings aged between 3 and

741
00:34:02,690 --> 00:33:57,570
11 the letter describes zip theory ER as

742
00:34:04,210 --> 00:34:02,700
the fel destroyer this has been highly

743
00:34:07,159 --> 00:34:04,220
robertson from the northern rivers

744
00:34:10,700 --> 00:34:07,169
vaccination supporters group we can be

745
00:34:15,820 --> 00:34:10,710
found on facebook wikipedia and on

746
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:15,830
twitter at NR vax supporters that's vix

747
00:34:44,290 --> 00:34:20,290
thank you until next time keep well

748
00:34:49,610 --> 00:34:47,570
see ya stop simply Viet hey Sal you guys

749
00:34:51,620 --> 00:34:49,620
guys I just had the most amazing

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00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:51,630
experience what experience under us

751
00:34:55,129 --> 00:34:53,460
under have you been to the pub I told

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00:34:57,470 --> 00:34:55,139
you not to hang out with mash you know

753
00:34:59,360 --> 00:34:57,480
she was blessed by peter Popoff no

754
00:35:02,240 --> 00:34:59,370
yellow no i'm not talking about psychics

755
00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:02,250
it was a really SP experience now you

756
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,230
have been to the pub either that or

757
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:06,240
you've been smoking something no pontus

758
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:09,090
the ESB is the European skeptics podcast

759
00:35:13,580 --> 00:35:11,760
it's the most amazing thing you get to

760
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:13,590
know so much about skeptics and their

761
00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:15,450
activities across Europe you know

762
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:18,180
avenged hot topics and interviews with

763
00:35:22,070 --> 00:35:19,920
lots of interesting people oh wow cool

764
00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:22,080
by the way pointers you just come into

765
00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:24,300
the false dichotomy fallacy I guess that

766
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:27,480
means I'm really wrong yep then you can

767
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:29,250
even learn about those fallacies in the

768
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:31,140
show and hear about people spreading

769
00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:33,450
silly ideas you should really check it

770
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:36,630
out it's the ESP the European skeptics

771
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:40,290
podcast it's on never weak alright so

772
00:35:44,690 --> 00:35:42,330
where can I get this is the experience

773
00:35:48,140 --> 00:35:44,700
it sounds good you can go online at the

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00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:48,150
ESP do to you follow it on twitter at es

775
00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:51,330
podcast underscore EU or like the

776
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,400
podcast on facebook oh and you can also

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00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:54,960
contact the show by sending them an

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00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:00,540
email to info at the ESPE you and if you

779
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:02,610
want to subscribe do a quick search for

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00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:04,890
the european skeptic podcast on

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00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:11,040
soundcloud itunes or stitcher I don't

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00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:25,730
here's my not spooky action at a

783
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:45,190
over here at the big meeting now you can

784
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:46,880
see the desert line stretching across

785
00:36:51,010 --> 00:36:49,010
the room now Richard that worked out

786
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:51,020
what is it for dessert by the way I just

787
00:36:57,700 --> 00:36:55,850
had the chocolate mousse Wow now did the

788
00:36:59,170 --> 00:36:57,710
chocolate a moose evolved from like a

789
00:37:02,380 --> 00:36:59,180
chocolate amoeba how did that work

790
00:37:04,690 --> 00:37:02,390
Richard I sometimes Maynard you just

791
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,700
don't ask questions it was created in

792
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:06,320
the kitchen if it's a chocolate mousse

793
00:37:10,450 --> 00:37:08,690
it had to evolve from something I was

794
00:37:12,190 --> 00:37:10,460
intelligently designed in the kitchen I

795
00:37:14,050 --> 00:37:12,200
tell you okay right yeah well we know

796
00:37:16,930 --> 00:37:14,060
what school Richards from and who we got

797
00:37:19,810 --> 00:37:16,940
here hello it's dr. Mel from down south

798
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:19,820
no what's the biologists doing here at a

799
00:37:22,780 --> 00:37:21,410
skeptics dinner well I came for a

800
00:37:25,630 --> 00:37:22,790
haircut in consumer and I thought I'd

801
00:37:26,859 --> 00:37:25,640
pop by never enough to go say that's

802
00:37:29,020 --> 00:37:26,869
where the good deal can be had on a

803
00:37:30,849 --> 00:37:29,030
haircut in Sydney's katoomba you get any

804
00:37:32,859 --> 00:37:30,859
closer to the city you just gotta hand

805
00:37:35,590 --> 00:37:32,869
your wallet over and walk away exactly I

806
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:35,600
mean I do pay for the airfare the return

807
00:37:39,370 --> 00:37:37,490
airfare to get here from jalan but it's

808
00:37:41,140 --> 00:37:39,380
well worth it yeah let me tell you cuz

809
00:37:43,090 --> 00:37:41,150
it will cost more than that if you go

810
00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:43,100
any if you get a new town you can just

811
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:45,230
forget it no no you've got to use some

812
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:46,609
of the more heavier elements of the

813
00:37:51,490 --> 00:37:48,710
periodic table to pay via cut a new town

814
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:51,500
no no I don't I don't deal in platinum I

815
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,570
i just used normal currency up in

816
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:55,280
Katoomba now what do you bring up to in

817
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:56,210
the world of science and skepticism

818
00:38:00,010 --> 00:37:58,850
lately dr. Mel okay what do I be doing

819
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:00,020
because you would know her of course

820
00:38:06,070 --> 00:38:02,690
from the great speech you gave at the

821
00:38:08,260 --> 00:38:06,080
Brisbane skeptics yes I was the crack

822
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:08,270
busting it's just got personal and and

823
00:38:13,870 --> 00:38:11,570
as an extension on the topics that I

824
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:13,880
spoke of in the brisbane convention last

825
00:38:22,450 --> 00:38:18,770
year I've been recently active on the

826
00:38:23,980 --> 00:38:22,460
stem cells topic and was asked to speak

827
00:38:26,380 --> 00:38:23,990
by the Australian Academy of Science

828
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:26,390
about being a patient advocate for

829
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:28,970
rejecting the quackery surrounding

830
00:38:33,580 --> 00:38:31,490
autologous stem cell transplants oh and

831
00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:33,590
how did that go had that guy what sort

832
00:38:37,309 --> 00:38:35,579
of what the hell receptive with it

833
00:38:39,979 --> 00:38:37,319
they were very receptive I've was

834
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:39,989
interviewed won several ABC stations i

835
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:42,690
also got page 3 of a Murdoch paper which

836
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:46,529
was my life goal unlocked yes I mean

837
00:38:49,789 --> 00:38:47,910
normally that's reserved for other

838
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:49,799
things well exactly I got to keep my

839
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:52,650
clothes on but I got to be page 3 of a

840
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:53,910
Murdoch paper I think it was the

841
00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:55,890
Australian I think what you suddenly one

842
00:38:59,719 --> 00:38:57,089
of those but it you know they're all the

843
00:39:01,849 --> 00:38:59,729
same but enough about pulp media so

844
00:39:03,709 --> 00:39:01,859
what's the next move I mean how you're

845
00:39:05,779 --> 00:39:03,719
trying to get out there and and push

846
00:39:08,539 --> 00:39:05,789
your agenda on to society in the

847
00:39:11,420 --> 00:39:08,549
scientific good way well you know it's I

848
00:39:16,329 --> 00:39:11,430
used social media which is occasionally

849
00:39:19,699 --> 00:39:16,339
criticized by some proportions of my

850
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,709
life but that's okay because actually

851
00:39:24,109 --> 00:39:21,359
the greater good for making sure that

852
00:39:27,739 --> 00:39:24,119
crack busting happens is more important

853
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:27,749
than what any individual suffers in sort

854
00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:31,380
of consequence to speaking out and so I

855
00:39:35,410 --> 00:39:33,660
have casually try it people who

856
00:39:38,329 --> 00:39:35,420
occasionally trying to silence my voice

857
00:39:43,339 --> 00:39:38,339
and I say to them you picked the wrong

858
00:39:46,339 --> 00:39:43,349
little black dog for that so but it's

859
00:39:48,439 --> 00:39:46,349
you know if a girl is being asked to

860
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:48,449
comment by the Australia cadmea science

861
00:39:52,459 --> 00:39:50,609
she's doing okay that's what I say to

862
00:39:54,380 --> 00:39:52,469
you so where can we catch up with you

863
00:39:57,229 --> 00:39:54,390
online or see what you've been up to you

864
00:40:00,229 --> 00:39:57,239
can come and talk to me at at dr. Mel

865
00:40:01,819 --> 00:40:00,239
underscored tea or you can look at my

866
00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:01,829
blog not that I've written it up lately

867
00:40:06,109 --> 00:40:04,440
but occasionally I write on there but

868
00:40:08,509 --> 00:40:06,119
yeah if you come and touch me on twitter

869
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:08,519
i'm usually available and what is the

870
00:40:11,959 --> 00:40:10,170
latest issue or the one that's going to

871
00:40:13,699 --> 00:40:11,969
be coming up in the near future you

872
00:40:15,259 --> 00:40:13,709
cease being on the horizon of being

873
00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:15,269
skeptical interest to people having a

874
00:40:20,209 --> 00:40:18,359
flame war about well I mean I'm as I say

875
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:20,219
I've got a personal interest in the stem

876
00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:23,130
cell autologous stem cell loophole being

877
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:24,660
closed by the TGA and we're pushing

878
00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:27,930
quite hard and as I say I was asked by

879
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:29,849
the Australian cadmea science to speak

880
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:31,890
as a patient advocate as well as a

881
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:33,690
scientist on this topic is there

882
00:40:37,940 --> 00:40:34,890
something beyond that does it open

883
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:37,950
another can of worms well

884
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:40,560
it does open the regulation can of worms

885
00:40:47,540 --> 00:40:45,599
and so they're probably the anti stem

886
00:40:50,060 --> 00:40:47,550
cell regulation people are saying well

887
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:50,070
it's going to limit research yada yada

888
00:40:53,839 --> 00:40:52,050
yada but I say to them I can't do

889
00:40:56,329 --> 00:40:53,849
research on my topic which is infectious

890
00:40:58,700 --> 00:40:56,339
diseases without ethics applications and

891
00:41:02,810 --> 00:40:58,710
without proper scrutiny and so neither

892
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:02,820
should they suck it up princess that's

893
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,650
dr. Mel not making a lot of friends in

894
00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:06,480
some areas but making more friends in

895
00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:08,820
others that's wrapped got some money

896
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:10,619
here who's not all nervous because we

897
00:41:13,940 --> 00:41:12,450
know that the big conference is going to

898
00:41:16,310 --> 00:41:13,950
be held in Melbourne this year but look

899
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,320
as it was held in a nuclear bunker last

900
00:41:21,020 --> 00:41:18,720
time a devoid of sunlight we've got

901
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:21,030
someone who gave us the great example of

902
00:41:24,829 --> 00:41:22,800
the Brisbane skeptics like there who we

903
00:41:26,750 --> 00:41:24,839
got here and tell us why Melbourne is

904
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,760
going to be a hard act to follow after

905
00:41:31,099 --> 00:41:29,040
Brisbane well I can tell you first off

906
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:31,109
of it we we don't have four seasons in

907
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:33,300
one day up in Brisbane we just have one

908
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:35,910
season it's just summer just dis summer

909
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:37,650
so if you need to get your years worth

910
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:39,810
of vitamin D you want your dog to get

911
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:42,000
dot did well yeah well yeah well we

912
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:43,530
won't discuss that cuz no dogs at the

913
00:41:47,780 --> 00:41:45,000
conference right now there were no dogs

914
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:47,790
no dogs presented get really hot oh it

915
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:49,890
gets really hot so thankfully will

916
00:41:54,020 --> 00:41:52,200
survive nobody melted at last year's

917
00:41:55,339 --> 00:41:54,030
convention and so Mel burns gonna have a

918
00:41:56,660 --> 00:41:55,349
hard time because it's not that people

919
00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:56,670
are gonna melt at the melbourne

920
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:57,900
convention it's that they're gonna

921
00:42:02,540 --> 00:42:00,900
freeze or they're gonna drown or they're

922
00:42:03,980 --> 00:42:02,550
gonna dress inappropriately and they're

923
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,990
gonna be peeling off layers so you're

924
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:05,520
gonna have a clothing while in the lobby

925
00:42:09,770 --> 00:42:07,380
good because you know so it's kind of

926
00:42:10,940 --> 00:42:09,780
hard to follow follow Brisbane on that

927
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:10,950
right it's gonna be a tough one but

928
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:11,910
we're gonna be there were gonna bring

929
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:14,130
fun I'm staying I will have to stay in

930
00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:15,690
South Melbourne again not far from that

931
00:42:19,099 --> 00:42:17,220
Dracula's castle thing that was

932
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:19,109
fantastic look there was me it was

933
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:20,640
really good and the skeptics what a

934
00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:22,890
weekend so you couldn't match that in

935
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:25,260
Brisbane who are you I don't know you

936
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:26,730
didn't party with me they were their

937
00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:29,520
minds avocados row so sorry we've got to

938
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:31,950
mention who you were hanging so the

939
00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:34,260
editor here producer may not get to the

940
00:42:37,609 --> 00:42:36,060
point who is this charming woman and

941
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,619
what's her story we'll see i thought i

942
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:39,119
gave her a leading in such a way that

943
00:42:42,849 --> 00:42:40,500
she would say her name and who she was

944
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,859
in the first sentence because I quick

945
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:45,359
okay well what I was trying to say is

946
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:47,609
because Brisbane was so good why would

947
00:42:52,430 --> 00:42:50,160
you say Brisbane was so good brisbane

948
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:52,440
was really great last year why was it so

949
00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:54,930
good why was it will me right isn't it

950
00:43:01,039 --> 00:42:57,420
me arts I the reason that Brisbane was

951
00:43:03,620 --> 00:43:01,049
so good one miss dr. awesome who got to

952
00:43:06,529 --> 00:43:03,630
do a stage it's a producer here again

953
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,539
who are you good does it happen I'm

954
00:43:12,979 --> 00:43:08,880
doing a lot of work here and I'm getting

955
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:12,989
nothing no I I'm Cassandra I'm the

956
00:43:16,339 --> 00:43:14,609
current president of the Brisbane

957
00:43:17,809 --> 00:43:16,349
skeptics society no I was not the

958
00:43:19,789 --> 00:43:17,819
president at the time of the convention

959
00:43:21,529 --> 00:43:19,799
I was the convention organizers so I

960
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:21,539
can't take credit for being the

961
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:23,130
president at the time but I was to check

962
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:24,420
in the pink shirt on the far right-hand

963
00:43:27,529 --> 00:43:25,680
side of the stage at the end of the

964
00:43:30,739 --> 00:43:27,539
weekend to run you one of the

965
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,749
troublemakers I was beat troublemaker I

966
00:43:34,969 --> 00:43:32,640
was also in a tiara flirting with

967
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:34,979
Richard on item the dinner you know that

968
00:43:38,210 --> 00:43:36,569
that was the best part honestly but

969
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:38,220
coming what's going on with the Brisbane

970
00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:39,599
skeptics you obviously had the huge

971
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,950
triumph and you've been resting on your

972
00:43:45,049 --> 00:43:43,200
laurels ever since a conference but what

973
00:43:48,229 --> 00:43:45,059
are you been doing up in Brisbane to

974
00:43:50,420 --> 00:43:48,239
bust stuff in the skeptical way well

975
00:43:51,709 --> 00:43:50,430
we've been trying to our our membership

976
00:43:53,749 --> 00:43:51,719
has grown quite a bit and we're very

977
00:43:55,489 --> 00:43:53,759
happy to have the larger memberships are

978
00:43:57,229 --> 00:43:55,499
cut into double figures now in today

979
00:44:00,380 --> 00:43:57,239
absolutely into double figures nearing

980
00:44:02,539 --> 00:44:00,390
triple oh yeah so we're trying to just

981
00:44:05,180 --> 00:44:02,549
consolidate we're trying to become a

982
00:44:10,670 --> 00:44:05,190
friendlier organization not not so much

983
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:10,680
of a rogue newbie organization that that

984
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,140
one where you go to kick it was great

985
00:44:17,329 --> 00:44:16,079
you go to if someone was like a hurdle

986
00:44:20,420 --> 00:44:17,339
saw something you'd go to the house

987
00:44:22,279 --> 00:44:20,430
knock on the door put a pass or set fire

988
00:44:24,650 --> 00:44:22,289
to it and then open that there was a

989
00:44:26,749 --> 00:44:24,660
great trip seem very rogue very rugby

990
00:44:28,579 --> 00:44:26,759
flaming Edgar it worked every time it

991
00:44:31,579 --> 00:44:28,589
works great they change their minds

992
00:44:33,799 --> 00:44:31,589
instantly the smell of multiple aroma

993
00:44:35,809 --> 00:44:33,809
therapies at once just not not good but

994
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:35,819
is there a new woman Queensland that

995
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:38,130
you're combating well currently speaking

996
00:44:42,979 --> 00:44:40,890
live i am a doctorate of psychology and

997
00:44:44,359 --> 00:44:42,989
i have been combating the psychological

998
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:44,369
woo in queensland

999
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,680
what the so what what was so what have

1000
00:44:50,839 --> 00:44:48,240
people been pushing that you think

1001
00:44:52,670 --> 00:44:50,849
that's not a good thing well it'll take

1002
00:44:54,859 --> 00:44:52,680
a lot of pennies out of your pocket

1003
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:54,869
those lovely coloring books well they're

1004
00:45:00,890 --> 00:44:57,420
they're fun if you like to color they're

1005
00:45:03,140 --> 00:45:00,900
not therapy is adult coloring books now

1006
00:45:04,609 --> 00:45:03,150
is the idea is this going back to the

1007
00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:04,619
whole 30s thing when no one had much

1008
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:06,180
money and they did needlepoint and

1009
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:07,710
things like that so is it giving you

1010
00:45:10,940 --> 00:45:09,089
something to do on the Trainmen are not

1011
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:10,950
looking at your phone it's a lot less

1012
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:13,680
stabby the needlepoint yes basically but

1013
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,079
the problem is it as being rebranded as

1014
00:45:21,380 --> 00:45:18,720
a self-help and it's it's not anything

1015
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:21,390
more than a coloring book it's got read

1016
00:45:27,410 --> 00:45:25,200
a book talk to a friend like brain

1017
00:45:29,749 --> 00:45:27,420
plasticity was used by someone fairly

1018
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:29,759
famous fries at the air that one's a

1019
00:45:33,980 --> 00:45:31,170
brilliant one because it's on just

1020
00:45:36,499 --> 00:45:33,990
enough science to make it great whew

1021
00:45:37,730 --> 00:45:36,509
just just enough plasticity science okay

1022
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:37,740
look if you do have to do a coloring

1023
00:45:41,809 --> 00:45:39,359
book I can highly recommend the

1024
00:45:43,730 --> 00:45:41,819
children's Satanist coloring book from

1025
00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:43,740
the US that's the one that they because

1026
00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:46,140
the big lab they were making Bibles

1027
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:47,880
being handed out in class they said well

1028
00:45:51,289 --> 00:45:49,710
look you if we were religion you should

1029
00:45:52,819 --> 00:45:51,299
have to hand out us as well and guess

1030
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:52,829
what they stopped handing out Bibles as

1031
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:54,690
soon as the but the Satanist coloring in

1032
00:45:59,150 --> 00:45:57,210
book is the thing I highly recommend the

1033
00:46:01,460 --> 00:45:59,160
c is for cthulhu children's coloring

1034
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:01,470
book as well it's fantastic wow that is

1035
00:46:05,059 --> 00:46:03,210
pretty cool so people are thinking that

1036
00:46:07,099 --> 00:46:05,069
is the summons generals a genuine

1037
00:46:09,319 --> 00:46:07,109
psychological therapy to do coloring in

1038
00:46:11,210 --> 00:46:09,329
yes they absolutely are believing that

1039
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,220
this is self help for depression and

1040
00:46:16,009 --> 00:46:13,680
anxiety and and a lot of things that it

1041
00:46:18,349 --> 00:46:16,019
does not help especially if you don't

1042
00:46:20,269 --> 00:46:18,359
like to color can you imagine and you

1043
00:46:22,489 --> 00:46:20,279
buy these pens you buy these coloring

1044
00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:22,499
books and then you sit down to color

1045
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:24,329
thinking it's going to have to help your

1046
00:46:27,650 --> 00:46:25,680
anxiety and then suddenly you realize

1047
00:46:30,410 --> 00:46:27,660
you hate coloring there's probably more

1048
00:46:31,819 --> 00:46:30,420
evidence that minor alcohol abuse is

1049
00:46:34,579 --> 00:46:31,829
going to be better for you than that I

1050
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,589
at least you get to meet people and and

1051
00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:36,720
initially it works sure it doesn't work

1052
00:46:42,370 --> 00:46:39,720
in the long term but initially yet you

1053
00:46:44,410 --> 00:46:42,380
reduce your stress in your anxiety

1054
00:46:45,730 --> 00:46:44,420
just stay away from AAA does that really

1055
00:46:48,220 --> 00:46:45,740
done any way that doesn't work either

1056
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:48,230
well okay this is very interesting that

1057
00:46:52,510 --> 00:46:50,570
so so be careful of coloring in books be

1058
00:46:53,860 --> 00:46:52,520
careful of drinking too much be careful

1059
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:53,870
of meeting the wrong people anything

1060
00:46:57,490 --> 00:46:55,730
else you we should know well in come to

1061
00:46:59,950 --> 00:46:57,500
the Brisbane skeptic society's meetings

1062
00:47:05,200 --> 00:46:59,960
and how do we find you guys online we

1063
00:47:06,910 --> 00:47:05,210
are at Brisbane skeptics dork ok may not

1064
00:47:10,090 --> 00:47:06,920
hear with Tim at the end of the night

1065
00:47:12,820 --> 00:47:10,100
your tired your wig is wet your chiffon

1066
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:12,830
is dirty it's been a huge night here you

1067
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:15,530
been at [\h__\h] copies of the skeptic of

1068
00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:17,510
course the world's second oldest

1069
00:47:21,550 --> 00:47:19,790
skeptical magazine put some photos you

1070
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:21,560
in their main anything if you want yeah

1071
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:23,210
LOL silly but it is the best it was

1072
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:25,130
actually voted a recent survey came

1073
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:26,570
across one hundred percent said it's the

1074
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:28,250
best sign to a bit skeptical magazine in

1075
00:47:35,140 --> 00:47:32,990
the world and rightfully so who voted in

1076
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:35,150
checking this one just one person and

1077
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:36,290
now tell us what you've had a few

1078
00:47:40,090 --> 00:47:38,090
speakers here over the years at a

1079
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:40,100
skeptical dinner how did this one rack

1080
00:47:43,390 --> 00:47:41,930
up tonight I think was great actually I

1081
00:47:45,490 --> 00:47:43,400
think it covered a lot lot of stuff and

1082
00:47:47,140 --> 00:47:45,500
very clearly we had a lot of fur we had

1083
00:47:48,670 --> 00:47:47,150
a lot of discussion of phylogenetic

1084
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:48,680
switch of course is one of our favorite

1085
00:47:53,740 --> 00:47:51,200
topics mmm well the thing that I heard

1086
00:47:54,910 --> 00:47:53,750
that really was wasn't a laborator on

1087
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:54,920
enough really was that there was a

1088
00:48:00,130 --> 00:47:57,440
mention that term UFOs of the work of

1089
00:48:01,420 --> 00:48:00,140
Satan and I had to yell out finally we

1090
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,430
get to talk about it but then that was

1091
00:48:04,810 --> 00:48:03,680
it they breezed past it so is there

1092
00:48:06,970 --> 00:48:04,820
something being covered up tonight

1093
00:48:08,980 --> 00:48:06,980
absolutely I think I think he shouldn't

1094
00:48:11,110 --> 00:48:08,990
have said that right that was the manger

1095
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:11,120
Arab we've warned him not to cover that

1096
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,040
topic but now he came and spilled the

1097
00:48:16,780 --> 00:48:15,440
beans I believe conspiracy theorists

1098
00:48:18,670 --> 00:48:16,790
would call that a canary in the coal

1099
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:18,680
mine he was just giving me a little bit

1100
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:20,410
of a hint of what really is going on I

1101
00:48:26,530 --> 00:48:23,810
thought Canaries die die die first that

1102
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:26,540
right yeah but but how did they react to

1103
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,490
the whole talk they enjoyed it very much

1104
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:30,400
as you've just heard thank you thank you

1105
00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:32,330
they had a great time great time

1106
00:48:36,670 --> 00:48:33,710
actually yes when we always do it should

1107
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:36,680
be a good good crowd today oh good lead

1108
00:48:42,580 --> 00:48:40,370
lot of people who hold even ages all

1109
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:42,590
different religions etc I think they

1110
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:43,760
really enjoyed it at a good time and a

1111
00:48:47,530 --> 00:48:46,160
good meal but the only thing I i just

1112
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,540
want if you get employment and it might

1113
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:49,280
be a bit difficult is when someone is

1114
00:48:52,460 --> 00:48:51,650
asked to ask a question and they start

1115
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:52,470
with

1116
00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:55,890
I once had a that that doesn't sound

1117
00:48:59,960 --> 00:48:58,200
like it's a question no no we do

1118
00:49:02,150 --> 00:48:59,970
actually ask people to ask a question

1119
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:02,160
not make a comment or another speech for

1120
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:03,599
then again you can't but he will rip the

1121
00:49:07,099 --> 00:49:05,490
microphone out of their hands as much as

1122
00:49:08,660 --> 00:49:07,109
you might like to but then again there

1123
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:08,670
have been people who go on and on and on

1124
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:10,680
and on and on and on and on and on and

1125
00:49:13,580 --> 00:49:12,210
on and on so what did you want us to

1126
00:49:15,859 --> 00:49:13,590
take away for you tonight from the

1127
00:49:17,089 --> 00:49:15,869
creationists versus evolution argument

1128
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:17,099
do you think we can look at that here in

1129
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:19,010
Australia and learns i think the know

1130
00:49:22,310 --> 00:49:21,300
there are big differences there big

1131
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:22,320
difference between the creationist

1132
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:23,970
movement in the US the creators movement

1133
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:25,710
here and some of them are good as some

1134
00:49:29,060 --> 00:49:27,210
of them are bad I mean the American one

1135
00:49:31,609 --> 00:49:29,070
is a lot more overt they take it to

1136
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:31,619
court local sort of councils of local

1137
00:49:35,330 --> 00:49:33,000
school areas etc making their own

1138
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:35,340
decisions the local states making their

1139
00:49:39,260 --> 00:49:36,720
own decisions etc we don't have that

1140
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:39,270
situation we do have national curricula

1141
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:41,250
right that he covers that in creationism

1142
00:49:44,540 --> 00:49:43,050
is not included than that but there are

1143
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:44,550
certainly arguments that people are

1144
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:46,650
trying to put to include creationism in

1145
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:48,330
science classes made by individuals

1146
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:51,330
obviously creation believers and that

1147
00:49:57,770 --> 00:49:53,730
happens under the radar unfortunately so

1148
00:49:59,359 --> 00:49:57,780
the Americans are bigger stronger bit

1149
00:50:01,760 --> 00:49:59,369
more overt the Australians are smaller

1150
00:50:03,380 --> 00:50:01,770
but less overt and so that they tend to

1151
00:50:06,349 --> 00:50:03,390
get out under the radar at the same time

1152
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:06,359
the Americans don't allow religion in

1153
00:50:09,950 --> 00:50:08,460
schools especially state schools they

1154
00:50:13,730 --> 00:50:09,960
actually sort of keep it out whereas we

1155
00:50:15,710 --> 00:50:13,740
have it as part of our other school

1156
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,720
curricula primary and high school but

1157
00:50:20,030 --> 00:50:17,280
then again our head of state is also the

1158
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:20,040
head of the Anglican Church

1159
00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:22,290
you mean that lady over there yeah that

1160
00:50:27,260 --> 00:50:25,500
was right okay okay yeah oh yeah oh yeah

1161
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:27,270
okay so we haven't really got separation

1162
00:50:30,430 --> 00:50:28,650
of church and state we've actually got

1163
00:50:32,990 --> 00:50:30,440
I'm talk about church and education ah

1164
00:50:34,010 --> 00:50:33,000
especially in state schools right that's

1165
00:50:35,570 --> 00:50:34,020
the difference in America they don't

1166
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:35,580
have it right they don't have scripture

1167
00:50:39,890 --> 00:50:37,650
classes in their closet but they are

1168
00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:39,900
trying to teach creationism inside say

1169
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:42,660
and so we do have scripted classes in

1170
00:50:46,490 --> 00:50:44,040
high schools but they don't try to teach

1171
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:46,500
creators of it science by and large so

1172
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,970
there are real ups and downs but as I

1173
00:50:51,710 --> 00:50:49,920
said creation was very strong in

1174
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:51,720
Australia a lot of the sort of creation

1175
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:53,370
science move it was developed here and

1176
00:50:58,070 --> 00:50:56,490
then it was exported to the US and we

1177
00:51:01,580 --> 00:50:58,080
got the anti-vaccination people in

1178
00:51:03,380 --> 00:51:01,590
return it's a bum deal I think sorry it

1179
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:03,390
wasn't very good another who organized

1180
00:51:10,310 --> 00:51:08,640
that way so we'll have a little post

1181
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:10,320
dinner chat here possibly for the

1182
00:51:16,610 --> 00:51:11,760
members for the skeptic zones I don't

1183
00:51:18,890 --> 00:51:16,620
know no no iris no knockers mmm that may

1184
00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:18,900
not hear in the skeptical high on died

1185
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:22,140
from that great car making nation of

1186
00:51:27,740 --> 00:51:25,170
South Korea that brought you such great

1187
00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:27,750
cars as any way in the back we've got a

1188
00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:29,310
few people here highbridge it has going

1189
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,780
in the driver's seat I'm in the driver's

1190
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:32,640
seat me night i'm doing ok we had a good

1191
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:35,130
night yeah you used to have the the bent

1192
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:37,770
mitsubishi skeptical mobile didn't you

1193
00:51:41,150 --> 00:51:39,510
we had to retire the mitsubishi

1194
00:51:43,220 --> 00:51:41,160
skeptical until now we've got the whole

1195
00:51:46,550 --> 00:51:43,230
day yeah it's going quite well and in

1196
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:46,560
the back we've God dr. Mel oh wait Ness

1197
00:51:51,470 --> 00:51:49,170
I guess I'm dr. Cass been in the back of

1198
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:51,480
this card now this is the first time

1199
00:51:56,090 --> 00:51:52,680
you've had five people in the car

1200
00:51:58,070 --> 00:51:56,100
Richard how's it handling just so think

1201
00:52:02,120 --> 00:51:58,080
of this as a bit of a skeptical top gear

1202
00:52:04,460 --> 00:52:02,130
we've got here now now now what did you

1203
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:04,470
make of our our sort of audience and

1204
00:52:07,970 --> 00:52:06,450
makeup people at dinner tonight and the

1205
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:07,980
way it all rounded up as a topic cuz you

1206
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:09,690
haven't been before milk no no I just

1207
00:52:15,110 --> 00:52:12,720
randomly appeared as awful as a sort of

1208
00:52:16,850 --> 00:52:15,120
Gatecrasher this evening of it I will

1209
00:52:17,570 --> 00:52:16,860
you know it's fairly homogenous as a

1210
00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:17,580
sort

1211
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,700
at all baby boomer kind of activity as

1212
00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:22,800
you do there was a few younger people

1213
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:24,420
there but it always makes me feel don't

1214
00:52:28,910 --> 00:52:26,370
you go all anti Bernie Sanders hello

1215
00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:28,920
darlin oh I voting for Hillary discourse

1216
00:52:33,620 --> 00:52:30,660
you know oh come on she's got two X

1217
00:52:36,050 --> 00:52:33,630
chromosomes she's awesome but you know

1218
00:52:37,490 --> 00:52:36,060
it but there was a bit of diversity

1219
00:52:39,050 --> 00:52:37,500
there there was a few young people there

1220
00:52:41,570 --> 00:52:39,060
was some pic formatting minorities it

1221
00:52:43,540 --> 00:52:41,580
was ok and how did you make it you've

1222
00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:43,550
been longer a few months before or not

1223
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:46,680
occasionally I do attend yeah so what do

1224
00:52:49,850 --> 00:52:48,090
you make of the Sydney skeptics meeting

1225
00:52:53,570 --> 00:52:49,860
as opposed to a more queensland-based

1226
00:52:56,900 --> 00:52:53,580
variety oh well it definitely was quite

1227
00:52:59,000 --> 00:52:56,910
larger I would say so it was nice to

1228
00:53:01,850 --> 00:52:59,010
have a whole room full of folks intently

1229
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:01,860
trying to think through a process rather

1230
00:53:06,740 --> 00:53:04,310
than just sort of go with their guts and

1231
00:53:08,270 --> 00:53:06,750
would you think Cassandra cuz i have you

1232
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:08,280
been then the city skeptics dinner

1233
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,050
before or and do you actually have them

1234
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:12,000
in queensland we do have them in

1235
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:13,290
queensland we are both the queensland

1236
00:53:16,190 --> 00:53:14,850
skeptics and the brisbane skeptics oh

1237
00:53:17,810 --> 00:53:16,200
well but we have two different lecture

1238
00:53:19,790 --> 00:53:17,820
series happening in brisbane this is my

1239
00:53:21,020 --> 00:53:19,800
first sydney one and it's always a good

1240
00:53:23,210 --> 00:53:21,030
impression when you come to one that's

1241
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:23,220
packed right makes the sydney scott

1242
00:53:27,740 --> 00:53:26,010
skeptics look really live and an active

1243
00:53:29,540 --> 00:53:27,750
but i have to agree with dr. Mel a bit

1244
00:53:31,310 --> 00:53:29,550
more homogenous and i would have liked

1245
00:53:33,050 --> 00:53:31,320
to see that just gives us something to

1246
00:53:35,780 --> 00:53:33,060
work on and we were talking about the

1247
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:35,790
whole creation versus evolution debate

1248
00:53:39,380 --> 00:53:37,260
in australia and i guess it would be a

1249
00:53:41,900 --> 00:53:39,390
slightly hotter topic in northern

1250
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:41,910
queensland perhaps oh goodness yes i

1251
00:53:45,050 --> 00:53:43,650
have the lovely jehovah's witnesses that

1252
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:45,060
visit me every couple of weeks with

1253
00:53:49,820 --> 00:53:47,490
their newest creationist material it's

1254
00:53:51,740 --> 00:53:49,830
it's great reading great reading yeah

1255
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:51,750
how often do they visit you but every

1256
00:53:56,270 --> 00:53:53,730
other week because it's hot and because

1257
00:53:58,910 --> 00:53:56,280
I love my neighbors I soak up as much of

1258
00:54:00,380 --> 00:53:58,920
their time as I can and do you and this

1259
00:54:02,810 --> 00:54:00,390
is the questing point for any skeptic

1260
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,820
listening is it a good thing to get the

1261
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,800
debate going on your doorstep there is

1262
00:54:07,610 --> 00:54:06,480
it best just to pretend you have to go

1263
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:07,620
to the toilet and shut the door in a

1264
00:54:11,420 --> 00:54:09,660
hurry now I actually enjoy getting the

1265
00:54:13,730 --> 00:54:11,430
debate going mainly because it shows the

1266
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:13,740
different side of skepticism and well in

1267
00:54:18,020 --> 00:54:15,930
my case atheism as well I'm not this

1268
00:54:19,340 --> 00:54:18,030
mean horrible unreasonable person I'm

1269
00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:19,350
somebody that they can talk to that they

1270
00:54:23,930 --> 00:54:21,540
have some common ground with I want the

1271
00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:23,940
best for the future in the kids too what

1272
00:54:27,020 --> 00:54:25,380
you dr. Mel in Melbourne do you get door

1273
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:27,030
knockers that come and have opinions are

1274
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:29,040
yourselves that you are polite to how do

1275
00:54:33,130 --> 00:54:30,930
you handle it absolutely i'm always

1276
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:33,140
happy to engage my seventh day adventist

1277
00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:36,570
american missionary in recipes it is

1278
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:38,910
basically i I'm sure they do but I'm a

1279
00:54:43,850 --> 00:54:41,850
meat lover but that's fine but they give

1280
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:43,860
me their pamphlets and I look it's this

1281
00:54:47,780 --> 00:54:46,110
time of year I light my fire with the

1282
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:47,790
watchtower magazines and I wish they'd

1283
00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:49,980
come round soon so that I've got some

1284
00:54:53,570 --> 00:54:52,260
kindling you get lots of them too they

1285
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,580
don't just give you one they'll give you

1286
00:54:58,370 --> 00:54:55,200
ten and they're really good they're

1287
00:55:00,200 --> 00:54:58,380
really good at lighting your fire now as

1288
00:55:02,270 --> 00:55:00,210
anyone you actually read the magazine

1289
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:02,280
that that they were referencing in that

1290
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:05,010
anti-evolution talk there on pandas and

1291
00:55:09,110 --> 00:55:06,570
people as in actually have a scene on

1292
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:09,120
pandas and people well I want to read it

1293
00:55:14,180 --> 00:55:12,570
now yeah okay I have seen the on pandas

1294
00:55:16,340 --> 00:55:14,190
in people textbook because that one

1295
00:55:17,930 --> 00:55:16,350
little blip that ended up in Northern

1296
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,940
California or one of the fights was

1297
00:55:22,970 --> 00:55:19,440
actually the high school district I went

1298
00:55:24,890 --> 00:55:22,980
to wow so and you still ended up a

1299
00:55:27,830 --> 00:55:24,900
skeptic well done you know nice big

1300
00:55:30,940 --> 00:55:27,840
Mormon community yeah it seep right in

1301
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:30,950
there no I know I know I've Jerry cently

1302
00:55:36,740 --> 00:55:34,890
met with a latter date Church of Latter

1303
00:55:40,250 --> 00:55:36,750
day Saints Mormon that I went to school

1304
00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:40,260
with as a primary school child and he's

1305
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:41,310
just become friends of them are on

1306
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:43,410
Facebook and at Easter he was very

1307
00:55:48,010 --> 00:55:45,210
amusing because he's become a rampant

1308
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:48,020
atheist and posts all sorts of nasty

1309
00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:52,530
memes over Easter whereas his mother

1310
00:55:58,610 --> 00:55:54,900
father and 10 brothers and sisters I

1311
00:55:59,840 --> 00:55:58,620
think it's still in the church we've had

1312
00:56:01,370 --> 00:55:59,850
a great night here and look why don't

1313
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:01,380
you just all say hello to all the

1314
00:56:04,550 --> 00:56:02,880
skeptics own listeners say you're

1315
00:56:07,070 --> 00:56:04,560
listening to the skeptic zone all at

1316
00:56:31,060 --> 00:56:07,080
once one two three you're listening to

1317
00:56:36,490 --> 00:56:33,620
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1318
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:36,500
zone wonder where those kittens are

1319
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:39,570
what's a bit of a worry sort of

1320
00:56:42,620 --> 00:56:40,920
disappeared they like to hide on the

1321
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,630
steps so when I run down the steps I

1322
00:56:46,010 --> 00:56:44,640
have to be careful one will hide up the

1323
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:46,020
top one will hide down the bottom they

1324
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,330
stalk each other it's quite fun don't

1325
00:56:52,450 --> 00:56:50,400
forget people in the sydney area or the

1326
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:52,460
blue mountains area i'll be speaking at

1327
00:57:01,570 --> 00:56:55,770
Paracon australia Australia's paranormal

1328
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:01,580
convention whoo yes whoo if you visit

1329
00:57:06,380 --> 00:57:04,410
www.pay rock on australia com you'll

1330
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:06,390
find out details at the moment i'm

1331
00:57:11,420 --> 00:57:08,970
scheduled to speak on on saturday the

1332
00:57:15,350 --> 00:57:11,430
twenty-eighth of May and that will be at

1333
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:15,360
seven pm and my talk will be a skeptic's

1334
00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:16,710
guide to passing the million-dollar

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challenge well basically to skeptics

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guide to passing any of these skeptical

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challenges around the world we have a

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hundred thousand dollars here in

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Australia other skeptical groups around

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the world have other amounts and I've

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just noticed that coming up on the third

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of May Tuesday the third of May at the

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Morty skeptics down there in Victoria at

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the maury Alec sporting club they have

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their annual soapbox if you're in

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Melbourne or you live that down near

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Maudie Alec check it out and the best

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place to check out the Morty skeptics is

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meet up or just google mor di skeptics

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00:58:03,290 --> 00:57:59,220
what's this tuesday july the fifth

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doctor Steve Roberts on UFOs whoo I

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might make that one that sounds good

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coming up on next week's episode of the

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skeptics own probably more kittens now

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there's one sitting in the window now no

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you can't open the window I'm sorry not

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yet you can you want at me all you like

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coming up next week on the skeptics and

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you smoke in zend um well sometimes we

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just don't know we just don't know i

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think we'll probably follow up on some

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of the stories i mentioned before the

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cowgirl refusing medical treatment and

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robert de niro vac saga but for this

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week this is Richard Saunders Henrietta

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and Maude the skeptics on cats signing

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you've been listening to the skeptics

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